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glenstein 4 hours ago [-]
Any explanation of the who/what/why rationale? And what exactly is the fallback for Ukraine?
ck2 4 hours ago [-]
on Saturday Musk posted "Zelensky has gone too far"
and perhaps this is what he had his people come up with
there are no fallbacks, their Starlink is part of their defense system and early warning network and they are about to go into winter which is brutal there even without ballistic missiles taking out their power grid
they have to hang on 800 more days, unlikely Dems can solve any of this even if they get the Senate because Musk can keep doing whatever in the middle of the night
inemesitaffia 3 hours ago [-]
This the the USG clearly given that it's Starshield.
I'm no fan of Elon - but the historical norm is that only gov't and local forces operate in major war zones. Vs. foreign companies either keep their distance, or at most operate with direct military escort.
klaff 3 hours ago [-]
Historical norm is that manufacturers have played a huge role in warmaking capabilities, and the norm is that allies support each other. Here we have the orange shitgibbon worried about losing power in the next election, and we have the world's richest oligarch having built a tower on speculation and they have an uneasy alliance to fuck over a country under invasion because neither of them can ever be satisfied. Life and death mean nothing to these folks if it isn't their life or death.
bell-cot 3 hours ago [-]
> Historical norm is that manufacturers have played a huge role in warmaking capabilities
You're fudging away the critical distinction. How many of the 100,000+ tanks, warships, and warplanes built by US corporations during WWII were operated by those corporations in combat zones? Extremely close to zero - because combat operations were the job of the US Army, US Navy, USAAF, etc.
No, I don't like Mr. Orange either. But he is the current POTUS. Starshield is under his control. And his failures do not obligate Mr. Musk to step up and serve - any more than they obligate young American men to serve in the Ukrainian Foreign Legion.
bix6 3 hours ago [-]
This isn’t a fair comparison. Tanks require drivers, few companies would / could send those people in and there was no remote kill switch. Compared to a terminal that can be shipped in, setup by anyone, and has a kill switch. Elon isn’t physically “operating” these he just has control over the software.
inemesitaffia 3 hours ago [-]
Well the USG has done what it will given that it seems like the regular stuff is working normally.
and perhaps this is what he had his people come up with
there are no fallbacks, their Starlink is part of their defense system and early warning network and they are about to go into winter which is brutal there even without ballistic missiles taking out their power grid
they have to hang on 800 more days, unlikely Dems can solve any of this even if they get the Senate because Musk can keep doing whatever in the middle of the night
Early warning?
note the restriction was implemented while they were under attack from 39 ballistic missiles
adding: coverage by The Guardian newspaper
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/14/ukraine-soldie...
and Musk can't even get US security clearance, he's not allowed into certain SpaceX hangars during some operations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield
I'm no fan of Elon - but the historical norm is that only gov't and local forces operate in major war zones. Vs. foreign companies either keep their distance, or at most operate with direct military escort.
You're fudging away the critical distinction. How many of the 100,000+ tanks, warships, and warplanes built by US corporations during WWII were operated by those corporations in combat zones? Extremely close to zero - because combat operations were the job of the US Army, US Navy, USAAF, etc.
No, I don't like Mr. Orange either. But he is the current POTUS. Starshield is under his control. And his failures do not obligate Mr. Musk to step up and serve - any more than they obligate young American men to serve in the Ukrainian Foreign Legion.